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Nathan vs. Veganism: The Consciousness Hierarchy

My brother Nathan was easily my greatest inspiration as a young kid. I always thought he was the coolest, smartest, funniest person I knew. I would often mimic his actions completely– I’d play the same video games, make the same jokes, and wear the same Halloween costumes.

I still think he’s one of the most honest and caring people around. So in this episode, I tell him I think he’s immoral and needs to change a fundamental part of his perspective.

We discuss a hierarchy of conscious beings. Do crickets deserve our compassion? We talk about super-intelligent aliens. We talk about priorities and whether veganism is worth the time and effort.

Chapters

  • 0:00 – Intro
  • 1:26 – How do you humanely kill an animal?
  • 2:00 – Factory farming vs. survival
  • 5:34 – When it’s not for survival?
  • 8:51 – Hierarchy of consciousness
  • 11:58 – “Somewhere between…”
  • 14:35 – “When meat is around or going to waste…”
  • 14:51 – “I’m going to eat fish.”
    • 15:12 – Chemicals in fish
  • 16:35 – Food excess
  • 19:07 – Ancestral relationships
  • 20:08 – Back to first question
  • 21:07 – Social imposition
    • 22:14 – “Some people would be offended.”
    • 23:12 – When do we compromise our ethics?
    • 23:40 – Saudi Arabia
      • 24:32 – So what is the difference?
    • 25:56 – Focusing on people over animals
  • 26:47 – What is evil?
  • 29:16 – Is veganism a “light of good”?
    • 29:51 – Does veganism create a good/bad binary?
    • 30:55 – Is veganism really the truth?
  • 34:17 – Why eat the pig?
    • 36:24 – Taking offense to veganism
    • 37:41 – Importance of animal ethics?
  • 40:03 – What about annoying pigs?
  • 42:04 – Alien analogy
  • 48:29 – What is intelligence?
    • 49:47 – “There’s still a hierarchy.”
    • 50:40 – What makes us worth more than crickets?
  • 52:40 – Which part of the hierarchy deserves consideration?
    • 56:44 – So where is Nathan’s line?
  • 58:18 – Why be ashamed of veganism?
  • 1:01:10 – Cognitive dissonance
  • 1:03:00 – Why continue with dairy?
  • 1:06:36 – Outro

produced and edited by Cammy
outro music by friends not food

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