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Jeremy vs. Veganism: Deer Overpopulation

Jeremy is an old friend and one of my favorite people in the world. He has a huge breadth of nuanced knowledge across a variety of topics as abstract as spirituality and concrete as history.

He’s an extremely kind and compassionate person outside of paying to create real-life animal nightmares. He’s also an exceptional musician. At the end of this episode, he introduces me to a vegan band he was a part of that I now use as the outro to every episode.

Check out his more serious work/band:
https://briarsofnorthamerica.bandcamp.com/

And his avant-garde vegan band, “Friends Not Food”:
https://soundcloud.com/friendsnotfood

Chapters

  • 0:00 – Forced small talk
  • 0:39 – Intro
  • 1:13 – How do you kill an animal humanely?
    • 1:54 – “Humane is a human reference”
  • 4:29 – Already persuaded
  • 4:51 – Deer overpopulation
    • 6:48 – Compassionate overpopulation solutions
  • 7:56 – Plant-based lion feed
    • 8:45 – “It feels like a perversion of nature.”
  • 11:24 – “I would only eat meat killed ethically.”
    • 12:00 – How do we kill an animal ethically?
      • 14:00 – Does having respect make killing ethical?
    • 14:36 – “To be honest […] my meat is factory-farmed.”
  • 14:56 – Eating a deer killed accidentally
  • 17:25 – Is hunted meat more ethical?
  • 18:47 – Lesser evils
  • 21:51 – Bear meat
  • 22:25 – Tacos in Mexico
  • 23:20 – Should one feel guilty?
  • 25:48 – Ethical consistency
  • 26:48 – How does someone go vegan?
  • 30:33 – Dairy industry
    • 33:36 – Dairy farmer friend
    • 34:55 – Environmental impact of dairy-farms
  • 35:59 – What about the cow population?
  • 39:17 – Vegan chicken extinction
  • 42:51 – “Predation and pain are parts of nature.”
    • 43:46 – Is predator/prey beautiful?
  • 46:50 – Relative consciousness
    • 47:13 – Plant-based bugs
    • 47:52 – Jainists
    • 48:18 – Emotional-connection hierarchy
    • 51:11 – Back to aphids
  • 57:19 – The sanctity of life
  • 58:40 – Habit, addiction, and education
  • 1:01:02 – Emotional-connection hierarchy
  • 1:02:31 – Vegan pride
  • 1:03:20 – Jeremy’s vegan band, Friends Not Food
  • 1:07:15 – So you’re going vegan?
  • 1:08:25 – Goodbye
  • 1:09:20 – Outro

produced and edited by Cammy
outro music by friends not food

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