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Nathan vs. Veganism Rd. 2: The Reduction of Suffering

Here we have our second episode featuring my brother, Nathan. We talk about whether he should feel more concerned about animals, how to communicate with people effectively by acknowledging their narratives, and how Nathan doesn’t have to go vegan because really it’s all capitalism’s fault… or something like that.

  • 0:00 Intro
  • 1:41 Environmental vs. humanitarian arguments
  • 3:18 Types of moral relationships
  • 7:10 The more persuasive argument
  • 7:56 “There’s a brutality to everything”
  • 10:15 When it’s not for survival
  • 12:07 The stories we tell
  • 13:13 So why not vegan?
  • 13:46 Sustainability and deliciousness
  • 15:48 Drilling into cheese
  • 16:25 Elimination vs. reduction of suffering
  • 18:51 “Veganism does the most”
  • 23:14 Blame it on capitalism
  • 25:57 Why is veganism not enough, for you?
  • 28:31 Normalization of veganism
  • 30:35 Soul erosion
  • 31:56 The stories we believe in
    • 32:13 Not about informing people
    • 33:27 So what is your story, then?
  • 34:25 Semantics vs. facts
  • 35:49 Harmony with nature
  • 36:52 Selfish decisions
  • 38:44 Not a campaign of shame
  • 40:09 Anti-racism
  • 42:44 People have to care before corporations will
  • 43:40 Outro

closing theme by Friends Not Food

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