Chris vs. Veganism: The Moral High Ground

Chris is the co-founder of a successful and powerful musical non-profit called Found Sound Nation, which brings people from around the world together to create positivity and compassion for each other through music.

Really, he’s one of the nicest people I know that pays to have animals tortured and/or slaughtered at the hands of cold commodification and toxic, ignorant quaintness.

Check his work and website out at nopiano.com

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• 0:00 Intro
• 0:44 Flashback
• 2:58 Flashforward
• 4:30 Which animals can Chris kill?
  • 7:01 Why can he kill them but not others?
• 7:23 Are animals worth more than their value to Chris?
• 7:44 What about an animal’s desire to live?
• 8:07 Is “desire” a “human” word?
  • 9:39 “A fish might be an algorithm”
  • 10:11 Cammy: “But why is desire human?”
  • 11:19 Chris: “Why do fish do things?”
• 12:44 A different path.
• 13:14 Instinct vs. Desire
  • 14:05 Chris: “[It’s a response, not a desire.]”
  • 15:15 Chris: “[It’s a spectrum.]”
• 16:58 “Why farm dolphins?”
• 18:34 Intelligence and consciousness
• 20:25 “What about chicken eggs?”
• 22:34 “Cows are difficult to slaughter”
• 29:05 Back to intelligence and consciousness
• 31:25 Meditation Moment
• 36:10 The mathematics of slaughter
• 37:25 “[I wouldn’t farm chickens.]”
  • 38:14 “I don’t like killing things.”
    • 40:49 So you’ll kill them if it’s valuable enough?
• 44:26 “It’s not morally sound.”
• 47:05 Normalization
• 49:07 “[I think we disagree in our capacity to care about these issues.]”
• 50:19 Fish intelligence
  • 51:25 “You can send me science.”
  • 52:28 What makes fish unintelligent?
  • 54:30 Does intelligence determine value of life?
  • 56:13 “We can find a way of showing animals respect while consuming them.”
• 58:07 “In my utopia, I would eat fish.”
  • 58:44 If this isn’t utopia, why are you eating fish?
  • 59:38 It’s not f***ed up enough?
• 61:09 What is the threshold?
  • 62:59 “If they lived relatively peacfully…”
    • 63:21 What about the slaughterhouse?
• 64:27 “Well can I drink milk?”
• 67:55 “No infrastructure for veganism.”
  • 69:53 “Still so many barriers.”
  • 74:13 Fortunate enough to be vegan???
  • 79:52 “Cultural infrastructure”
• 81:14 Outro